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be normal

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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine Concepts events for

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers a few preconceptions snark when

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Justified no belief no debunking today

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we're going to finish our look at the

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Gulf Breeze sightings examining Ed

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Walters last two books or second two

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books which were also his last two books

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and a couple of things about this

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episode first off if it sounds a little

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different it's because I'm recording on

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the road on a laptop with some mobile

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audio kit so it's it's not it's not in

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the studio so there might be a few sort

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of sound quirks I I'm gonna try to make

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it sound as good as possible the other

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thing is

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um this is going to be shorter than the

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first two Gulf Breeze episodes because

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so much in walters's second two books is

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simply a sort of recapitulation and a

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defense of what he wrote in the Gulf

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Breeze UFO sightings back in 1990s so

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there's there's not as much meat on the

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bones here and I'm not going to waste

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all of our time by by stretching things

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now if you have not listened to the

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first two Gulf Breeze episodes I I can't

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tell you what to do but this might make

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more sense to you if you were to go back

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and listen to those

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um

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if you don't want to you can dive right

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into this one but I think it would be

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helpful if you listened to those first

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so today we're going to be looking at

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what Ed Walters did next and what claims

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did he have and do these claims help or

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hurt his case that he saw these flying

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saucers so here's the story so far to

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remind you or to inform you if you

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haven't listened to those first two

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episodes Ed Walters and his wife Francis

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saw a number of UFOs in Gulf Breeze

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Florida in late 1987 into the spring of

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1988 they weren't the only people to

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have UFO sightings during this time in

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the area there were quite a few reported

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in the news but Ed Walters used his

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1970s Polaroid camera to take

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astoundingly detailed and interesting

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photos of some interesting looking UFOs

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and this generated lot of attention but

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also a lot of skepticism particularly

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once a model of a UFO was found in the

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house that Walters had lived in at the

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time by new owners so the UFO field such

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as it was was a bit split over the

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Walters photos there was a contingent

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that still is a contingent that believes

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these photos were

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absolutely authentic there's a much

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larger group of people within ufology

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that believed these photos to be hoaxes

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and that Ed Walters who had a reputation

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as a practical joker

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sort of started a a hoax a joke that got

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out of control and mushroomed and then

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he kept it going once he was able to

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sign a book deal for hundreds of

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thousands of dollars so when his book

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comes out in 1990 and then subsequently

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the controversy over the model begins

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and and claims and counter claims about

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how he faked the photograph

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um he kind of you know goes uh goes not

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goes underground but he sort of goes

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away for a little bit and starts working

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on the next phase of his story and I I

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do that does sound a bit a bit cynical

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but there's a sense that

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he needs to push things further and the

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result is the 1994 book from Ed Walters

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and Francis Walters entitled UFO

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abductions in Gulf Breeze the amazing

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true story of UFOs and the real visitors

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from outer space and in that subtitle

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that very long subtitle the the word

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real is larger than the other words and

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underlined and little flash in the

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corner says with clear detailed

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it's a great it's a great painted cover

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I'll put it up on actually it's on the

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the episode art for this episode has a a

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picture of this cover and it's uh

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absolutely absolutely amazing I I love

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it very much so whose abductions were

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these well these were Ed's abductions

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and you'll recall from the earlier

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episodes that there had been several

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cases where the blue beam from the ship

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was attempting to pull him up into the

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ship and he you know did not did not go

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he hung on or his wife hung on to his

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leg in one case and he was not sucked up

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into the ship but in the aftermath

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of the sightings Ed began to wonder what

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had really happened and there were

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periods of missing time during these

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sightings and he didn't really mention

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too clearly in the first book but now he

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he sort of is and he was wondering about

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how to explore this and he gets some

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advice about the best thing to do

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often as I awoke in the morning my

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subconscious released bursts of memory

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which made very little sense although I

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always wrote down these insights I only

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showed them to a few researchers they

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quickly connected these memories to what

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seemed to be a telepathic message I'd

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received while driving to the site of a

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dramatic UFO encounter on January 24

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1988 the message was in sleep you know

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the researchers felt that regressive

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hypnosis was the only way to unravel the

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Mysteries connected with the UFO and my

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life in an effort to answer why I

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finally agreed if there was something

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more to all of this than just the

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sightings I decided I wanted to know

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this book discloses each in sleep you

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know memory and details the many hours

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of regressive hypnosis each session was

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videotaped and is transcribed herein

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with my intermittent descriptions and

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comments based on those in-sleep you

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know memories and that hypnosis I've

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suggested certain answers much of what

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has happened might be interpreted

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differently and you may choose to do so

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but no matter how one speculates it is

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clear to me that I've experienced

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contact with an alien life form

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mufon folks hook Ed Walters up with Dan

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overlaid a clinical hypnotherapist who

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previously had met with Walters and

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certified him as not a sociopath when

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his credibility was questioned with

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regard to the photographs and his

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sightings overlaid in a chapter he

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authors in the book where he details how

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he got involved with the Ed Walters case

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describes himself as somebody who had

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read a Donald keyhoe book or two back in

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the day but was not deeply entrenched in

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the world of flying saucers

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which is good as far as that goes as you

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little skeptical of the value and

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utility and in some cases safety of some

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of these hypnotic regression techniques

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things that have come to light in the

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last few years or so make me even more

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skeptical about it than I was at the

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beginning when I first heard about it

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now the missing time wasn't the only

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reason that Ed felt he needed more

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in the bathroom I ran a comb through my

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hair and felt a bump at the back of my

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head very close to the center of my neck

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I felt bruised and I went to the mirror

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to try to see what I could feel when I

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looked in the mirror I couldn't see the

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lump but as I turned around I

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immediately saw more than I expected to

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a large bruise with a red dot in the

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center was prominent between my eyes

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right at the bridge of my nose two more

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similar marks were centered on my

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temples each surrounded by a bruise I

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was shocked what the hell had they done

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so Ed goes to see doctor overlaid and in

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the first sort of pre-hypnosis

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appointment overlaid teaches add some

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techniques for for how to get into a

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I guess and sort of the relaxation and

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sort of puts them under just a little

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bit and interestingly overlaid notes the

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facial twitches and and unconscious

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bodily movements that Ed had exhibited

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on that video that we talked about in

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the last episode that Jim Mosley uh sort

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of laughed at and the um his even Dwayne

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cook who was with them said no your face

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looks normal Ed I don't see any weird

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facial Twitches so overlaids comments

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sort of confirm those facial Twitches Ed

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also sees a gray creature when he is in

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that pre-hypnotic sort of practice

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over an encounter he had in the park

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where he had this missing time

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experience and as he is under he is

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describing what's going on and then he

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recounts the moment at which he is

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okay okay I can see them over me they're

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standing over me they're standing over

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me I'd heard them in the bushes the sons

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of were in the bushes they're in

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the bushes he's looking right down at me

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they're all around me those gray things

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are all around me one's got one's got a

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hold of my neck he's got his hand on the

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back of my neck he's got his hands his

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fingers wrapped around the back of my

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neck another one's pushing me on the

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left shoulder he's pushing me on the

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left shoulder he's pulling me up they're

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picking me up picking me up

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up oh oh geez I can't move I can't move

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the aliens will just call them aliens

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for the sake of clarity the aliens

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continue to to grab him and drag him

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through the uh through the the park

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where he is he's struggling but he is

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unable to escape their uh their their

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power they zap him with a white light

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from those silver rods that they carry

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that we heard about in previous episodes

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and this being an ed Walters book it

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should not surprise you that he paints

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himself in a fairly heroic light trying

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to fight the efforts of these evil gray

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I was on my back looking at the

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semi-circle of creatures standing

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motionless less than five feet from me

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the creature locked in the grip of my

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right arm had its back against my chest

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in the darkness I almost didn't realize

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what I held if the creature's helmet

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hadn't also protected its neck my arm

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would have been around its throat sand

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on my sweaty arm gritted against the

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smooth glassy surface of the creature's

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chest plate the creature began to

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struggle in a sour smell like mildew

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filled my nostrils its helmet rubbed on

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my shoulder the angle exposing the clear

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faceplate to my view only a few inches

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from my eyes my Tormentor seemed frail

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its eyes met mine and showed nothing but

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my reflection tightening my grip I

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pulled the two of us backward further

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into the brush with my left hand the

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creature still grasped the Silver Rod

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and began to thrash in panic striking

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blow after blow toward my head and left

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shoulder the bushes deflected the rod

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which I'm sure was some sort of stun

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weapon I wrapped my legs around its legs

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and finally managed to grab the rod

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swing arm at that moment my eyes became

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his vision goes blurry and when it it

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clears again he's in a room and his

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daughter Laura is in he sees her in a

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room he's looking in through the window

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and sees her she's yelling but he can't

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hear her she seems to be in some kind of

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distress she's choking and and this is

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very sort of troubling to him and he

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stops struggling with the aliens and

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they uh they they they take him and he

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ends up on a floor somewhere he can't

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see anything he's crawling around on his

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hands and knees his throat hurts he's

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very very concerned about his daughter

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there are voices speaking to him and and

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one voice becomes becomes louder talking

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to him it's a white-haired man who seems

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to be some kind of spokesman or leader

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of the group of aliens

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there's another voice this guy's talking

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to me this white-haired guy is talking

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to me he's just looking at me and all of

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a sudden I hear him he says zehas he

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says zejas you were always like this try

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to remember you were always like this

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try to remember

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yeah always like this well you remember

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you remember yeah you didn't ask me to

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come up here you didn't ask me to come

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to the stupid place I want you out of

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here I want my daughter oh Laura's all

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right unless that's a trick are you

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tricking me

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what Ed begins to realize as he's having

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these experiences is that some of these

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scenes that he is witnessing some of the

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surroundings he's witnessing such as the

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room where Laura was were his bedroom as

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a child and so what he believes is

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happening is he is partially reliving

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abduction experiences he had when he was

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I think he says 11 years old and the way

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it's written is kind of confusing it's

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it's not entirely clear in the chapter

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where Ed and Francis are narrating what

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happened and using interspersed

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transcriptions of the hypnosis sessions

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but what seems to be the case is that Ed

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is not only reliving his abduction

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during the missing Time episode in the

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park but also some aspects of abductions

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he underwent as a child and he has

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another encounter during this session

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another conversation with the the white

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he said remember you remember now

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oh god oh this little creep I'd like to

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get my hands around his neck he can't do

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this to me

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the three around him have got Shields

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and they've got those rods and every

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time I step forward toward him the rods

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start to Glow he says you remember now

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yeah I remember you take people like me

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and you take them and do what you want

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says it's necessary he says it's

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necessary he says we must renew the news

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must learn the news must learn this

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little guy with a thing over his head

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kind of partly over his head he's got a

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little white looking hair coming out

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from under it he said the news must

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learn

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what do these things mean we don't know

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at this point but Ed says he would soon

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understand quote that these phrases cut

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to the absolute meaning of the alien

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abduction motive

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well that would be great if we were to

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uh if we were to find that there's then

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a little chapter where Dan overlaid goes

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over his analysis of the hypnosis

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session sort of fleshing out this idea

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that Ed was experiencing some aspects of

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things that happened to him when he was

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11 years old making him a repeat

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abductee over the course of his life

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and then the next chapter is sort of a

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break from the abduction stuff chapter

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seven is titled What's a debunker Ed

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goes into the attempts made to discredit

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him during the height of the Gulf Breeze

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sightings and also refers to a flyer

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that was placed in people's mailboxes

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do you know Edward Walters we are proud

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to disclose that he is the nut that

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would have the fine people of Gulf

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Breeze believed that the Martians have

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landed this is his phone number

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932-3056 call this idiot and let them

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know what you have discovered about him

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let him know that we all know he's a

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liar and nobody believes him don't be

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deceived by the other reports that you

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read about the Sentinel newspaper is

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making up stories to sell papers many of

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our sources report how often this UFO

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nut can be seen drunk at the local bars

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and we are now investigating his devil

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worship meetings that include other UFO

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Witnesses do you want this type of

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element in town let us all speak up

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against Ed Walters and tell him and

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anybody else who supports them to stuff

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it thank you

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[Music]

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of course Edwards explains that the

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debunkers were full of bunk Gulf Breeze

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for example was a in a dry county so

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there weren't any local bars in Gulf

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Breeze where he could always be seen

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drunk well I'm convinced and to be

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honest you know putting Flyers like that

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is is kind of a kind of a jerkish move

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you don't want to do that to people but

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on the other hand you put yourself out

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there with your flying saucer photos and

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things like that are going to happen Ed

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claims that the people behind the Flyers

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were from out of town and were part of

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an organized effort to suppress the

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truth about UFOs then we get into some

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more hypnosis sessions based on memories

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that Ed had had throughout his childhood

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for example when he was 17 years old he

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was going to the store to get some bread

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for his mom and he was being followed by

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a black dog now this is what he

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remembers consciously he said the dog

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followed him the dog was wrong something

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was very wrong with the dog he said the

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dog was acting much too deliberately it

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freaked him out later that night as he

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tried to go to sleep he had a sensation

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of somebody sitting on his bed or

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pushing his head down the room was dark

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but he could see shadowy gray forms move

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back and forth as he tried to focus on

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them

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he was scared he tried to curl up in a

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ball but later when he woke up his his

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brother didn't agree that there was

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anybody in the house but

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Ed was wet as if he'd been outside even

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though he hadn't been but he didn't

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really realize that anything was really

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wrong until after he was hypnotized and

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learned the entire story of what

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happened on that night we'll get to that

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hypnosis session after the break

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next time we're staying in Florida and

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looking at the mystery of the Gulf

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Breeze six it's not directly connected

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to the sightings but it is tangentially

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connected and this story is is wild it's

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one I've been wanting to do for a long

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time so it's it's pretty exciting we're

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also going to have a little sort of

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bonus episode in between where I take

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feedback and questions about our

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three-part Gulf Breeze thing so send me

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questions send me comments I'm trying to

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save all the ones I've gotten so far but

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apologies if I lost some along the way

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and thanks to those of you who have sent

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physical artifacts we recently got a

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very nice collectible coin Medallion

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thing from the little alien in near Area

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51 from a listener who visited there on

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vacation with a nice letter so it's

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always good to get things like that and

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now let's go back to Ed Walters and Dr

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Dan's hypnosis sessions

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during the series of hypnosis sessions

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where they delve into what happened to

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Ed when he was 17 we learned that the

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dog was strange for a number of reasons

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the way it was looking at Ed its head

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was turned in a way that an animal's

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head could not turn unless its neck was

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broken the eyes seemed oddly alien and

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the dog had no teeth it's very strange

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and then the action shifts to Ed being

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in a place naked the creatures gray

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creatures again like he's been seeing

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all along have removed his clothes and

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they've placed some sort of device like

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a dish like device over his genitals at

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this point in the first hypnosis session

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he is very agitated and Doctor overlaid

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brings him out of it they go back in a

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bit later and he reports Ed reports or

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recounts that a rod was stuck in his

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nose and something was placed inside his

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skull so basically you're standard alien

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implant sort of thing he's then left

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alone in the room he looks around it's a

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empty room with a shiny table that has a

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serial number on it

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he leaves the room and goes into the

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corridor and is confronted by the

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creatures again he tries to run and a

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blue beam like he's experienced from the

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craft comes down from the ceiling and

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freezes him in place he then jumps in

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the narrative to being age 29 with

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similar things happening then he's back

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to age 17. it's it's very confusing

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because it's it's sort of presented as

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little bits of of narration interspersed

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with dialogue from the transcripts with

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inside the transcripts in the

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parentheses sort of almost stage

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directions of how Ed was was talking you

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know his um

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level of agitation sighing grunting

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crying things like that so it's it's a

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very disjointed thing to read we then

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get a story of when Ed was 25 years old

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just a young draftsman

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starting out in the architecture and

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building industry and he was out driving

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on a job and he had a strange experience

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at a roadside and he always just thought

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it was exhaustion heat stroke

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you know some sort of weird thing but

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wants to get hypnotized you realize

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what's really going on and what really

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had happened when he was 25 was that he

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was trapped in a compound with some

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alien lizard people and he helped a pair

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of young children escape from these

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the little girl could not keep up and I

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was dragging her by the arm while in a

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full Sprint I glanced back and could see

542
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,900
only the curve of the tunnel disappear

543
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,400
into the same bright lighting that was

544
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:34,559
also ahead of us without losing stride I

545
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:36,059
released my grip on the boy's arm and

546
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:37,500
snatched the girl up onto my right hip

547
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,419
then reached out for the boy who was now

548
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:41,520
slightly ahead of me confused thought

549
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:43,140
swirled in my mind that I yelled out

550
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,539
this can't be my chest heaved and I

551
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,760
struggled to inhale the thick air it was

552
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,679
heavy as if Laden with an invisible

553
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,080
additive I began to slow while the boy

554
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:54,120
ran on farther ahead so much that the

555
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:57,179
girl called to him Gary wait for us I

556
00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:58,860
let the girl slide down to the floor so

557
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,299
she could catch up to Gary who was

558
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:02,100
apparently her brother they both looked

559
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,200
back at me but I motioned them on alone

560
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:06,240
I listened and watched the curve for any

561
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:08,460
sign that we were being followed bracing

562
00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:10,200
myself by leaning forward and holding my

563
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,900
knees I waited gasping for breath my

564
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:14,340
eyes watered and I squinted to Shield

565
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:16,620
them from the brightness I'd only gotten

566
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:18,059
a quick look at what was coming out of

567
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:19,440
the red glow but I was sure it was

568
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:21,419
lizards there had been no mistaking the

569
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,340
side of that huge Lizard Head swaggering

570
00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,720
into side light from around the wall

571
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:27,000
opening lizards three of the biggest

572
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,460
lizards possible at least 10 feet from

573
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,440
nose to tail there was no confusion

574
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:33,360
about it these were not alligators or

575
00:24:41,710 --> 00:24:39,649
so we have lizards maybe not lizard

576
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,720
people but giant lizards we have General

577
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:44,640
Normal Grays we've got the one being

578
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:47,220
with the white hair we then in this

579
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:51,120
hypnosis session meet smaller creatures

580
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:56,220
who are more friendly or at least more

581
00:25:02,029 --> 00:25:00,299
or less actively abusive to Ed with he

582
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,039
says they remind him of the big-eyed

583
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,440
children that you would see in paintings

584
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,960
and pictures a few years ago which for

585
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:08,580
some reason I'm thinking he means like

586
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,620
those precious moments figurines I'm

587
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:12,720
thinking that's the kind of thing he's

588
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,240
going for the timing seems right in the

589
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,220
early 90s for Precious Moments figurines

590
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:20,400
to be a thing from a few years ago he's

591
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:21,179
got

592
00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:24,840
of these of these encounters that he has

593
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:28,980
there's one when he was 29 29 33 years

594
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:32,640
old an interrupted canoe trip but

595
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:35,880
it all seems to be of a piece with each

596
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,320
other there's a lot not a lot of

597
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,320
variation until he meets one more of

598
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:42,840
these creatures a woman or a female who

599
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,240
said that that he he is that she is of

600
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:47,700
the 13 so this number 13 and a group of

601
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:50,520
13 of these smaller creatures are

602
00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:54,000
becoming more prominent it really is all

603
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:57,419
over the place I'm trying to make it as

604
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:57,960
um

605
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:01,500
Compact and streamlined as I can but one

606
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:05,400
of the things that really really

607
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,360
um interests me is when he would have

608
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:11,820
these hypnotic regression sessions and

609
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:15,480
see himself as some other type of person

610
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:18,840
somebody who isn't at Walters the alien

611
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:21,720
woman touches him and he has flashes of

612
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:25,440
memory where he is a black man in one

613
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,640
instance or a a a a young man whose

614
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:32,880
father was a Cheyenne Indian who had

615
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:35,760
kidnapped and raped a white woman and he

616
00:26:41,870 --> 00:26:38,820
was the result of that and another one

617
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:41,880
where he was a young boy who he

618
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:44,039
described as um

619
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,220
as brown which seems an unfortunate way

620
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:49,740
to say it and he says quote the visions

621
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:52,140
of the black man the Half Breed and the

622
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,299
Indian boy are an absolute mystery to me

623
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:56,159
how they should be interpreted depends

624
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,140
on your philosophical beliefs how they

625
00:27:01,549 --> 00:27:00,000
are rationalized along with the UFO

626
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:01,559
Abduction phenomenon I will leave to

627
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,659
others but since they're a part of

628
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:05,580
events I recalled while under hypnosis I

629
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:07,620
include them as possible real events but

630
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:09,299
also recognize they might have been

631
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:11,820
alien manipulations end quote

632
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:15,539
so Ed doesn't know what these are if

633
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,179
these are past incarnations of himself

634
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,640
if he's being shown the experiences of

635
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:23,279
other people through their eyes by the

636
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:27,360
aliens he's just not sure but he has

637
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,059
these these visions of um of these other

638
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,600
people's lives it's it's very very

639
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,940
strange in fact it's strange enough that

640
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:37,440
that it's I think one of the more

641
00:27:41,149 --> 00:27:39,179
interesting parts of the book because he

642
00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:41,159
doesn't just come out and say this was

643
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,559
you know this is what it was he leaves

644
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,299
it very ambiguous he says it you know

645
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:47,039
basically I'm not qualified to judge

646
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:50,100
what these experiences mean or what

647
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:51,960
might have happened as the book

648
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,520
continues we get more instances of the

649
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,100
talk of the coming of the news and the

650
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:01,559
News must be informed or the news must

651
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:04,500
be brought forward and it becomes clear

652
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:07,559
that this is not news as in newspaper or

653
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,380
Nightly News on the television it's new

654
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:13,440
and then with an S to make it plural

655
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:17,220
the new what at the conclusion of his

656
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,039
experiences having been given all kinds

657
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:22,799
of cryptic clues about the news and in

658
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:24,659
dreams you remember or in sleep you

659
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:27,179
remember and things like that Ed Walters

660
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:29,340
comes to some conclusions about what

661
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:31,020
might be going on not just with his

662
00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:39,350
do UFOs exist yes there is no doubt in

663
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:41,940
my mind do UFOs come from outer space

664
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:44,760
maybe I don't know it certainly seems

665
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:45,779
possible

666
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:47,400
whether these beings are from outer

667
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:48,840
space another dimension or our own

668
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:51,059
future they're alien to our time our

669
00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:52,020
culture

670
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,720
what is the purpose of alien abduction

671
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:56,100
based solely on my experience I must

672
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:57,960
answer interaction physically and

673
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,200
emotionally to rejuvenate or develop a

674
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:02,640
new species

675
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:04,260
these conclusions spring from the

676
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,820
personal encounters that I've disclosed

677
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,980
openly in this book my answers are

678
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,360
possibilities which seem to be

679
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:11,340
acceptable the things that I saw and

680
00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:12,840
heard I have interpreted only on the

681
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:14,600
basis of my own personal intellect

682
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,980
philosophically I mean I see myself as

683
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:18,960
neutral but I also acknowledge that I

684
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:21,240
have like everybody certain preconceived

685
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:23,100
and subjective ideas that may color my

686
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,600
conclusions

687
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:26,880
[Music]

688
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:29,940
so a new species being created this

689
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,220
isn't too different from what we've seen

690
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,039
in other abduction scenarios about the

691
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:36,960
creation of hybrids indeed this book

692
00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:42,419
comes out in 1994 the hybrids the that

693
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:46,100
sort of thing it's it's becoming sort of

694
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,919
accepted UFO Abduction lore sort of

695
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,600
running parallel to some of the other

696
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:53,520
things like the aliens are implanting us

697
00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:56,700
to be a employment could be an army that

698
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:58,440
will rise up and help the aliens take

699
00:30:02,090 --> 00:30:00,659
over when you know everything falls

700
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:02,100
apart

701
00:30:08,590 --> 00:30:05,940
so that's sort of the conclusion of Ed's

702
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:08,600
recountings of his own

703
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:10,919
abduction experiences and and the

704
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,740
hypnosis there's really no real

705
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:15,840
sort of firm conclusion he's got some

706
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,460
suppositions but leaves the door open

707
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,740
for him being wrong which is actually

708
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:22,020
kind of refreshing I like that but then

709
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:23,700
there's a whole another chunk of the

710
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:26,820
book probably about 50 pages where he

711
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:29,700
goes into the you know defending himself

712
00:30:35,149 --> 00:30:33,000
against the fake saucer model that was

713
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,159
supposedly planted in his house by the

714
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:37,679
evil debunkers he he goes into other

715
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,520
attempts to um to you know sow Discord

716
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:43,919
among the UFO community and and rally

717
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,679
people against his story and he also

718
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,539
spends a few pages talking about six

719
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,120
soldiers who show up in Gulf Breeze for

720
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,820
no apparent reason or reasons that are

721
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:55,440
deeply strange

722
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:58,140
but that's a topic for next time when we

723
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:00,600
talk about the Gulf Breeze six

724
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:04,260
so this second book was also co-authored

725
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:06,600
with his wife Francis Walters I'm not

726
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,980
sure if she was still his wife at the

727
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,080
time they did get divorced at one point

728
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,899
and Jim Mosley in his book shockingly

729
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,640
close to the truth tells the story of

730
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,799
having dinner with Ed and Francis as

731
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,240
they were going through their divorce

732
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,919
and I don't have it with me right now

733
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,360
recording but he says something along

734
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,760
the lines of well I'd make it worth your

735
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:25,440
while if one of you wanted to tell me

736
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,700
the real story

737
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,559
regardless of what the other one wants

738
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:30,000
or something like that and he says they

739
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:31,860
both gave him a sort of interesting look

740
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,720
but neither of them ever came forward

741
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,279
with anything different than what they

742
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,399
had said before so what's interesting is

743
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,799
is the first book Is authored by Ed and

744
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,960
Francis Walters and the second book is

745
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:44,880
authored by Ed Walters and Francis

746
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,399
Walters which is a different and that

747
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:49,200
might not indicate that they'd divorced

748
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:51,299
by that time but I think it does now

749
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:53,700
Walters third book

750
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:57,840
the boringly and sort of

751
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,140
clumsily titled UFOs are real here's the

752
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,140
proof is credited to Edward Walters not

753
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,260
Ed and his co-author Bruce Maccabee PhD

754
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:09,360
and it has an introduction by George

755
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:11,940
feiler major George feiler of filer's

756
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:14,820
files which is Coalition of UFO

757
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:17,580
sightings reports this book

758
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,179
um I'm not going to spend much time on

759
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,039
this actually

760
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:25,740
um it's it recounts the Gulf Breeze

761
00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:28,140
thing it doesn't talk much about his

762
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:32,279
abductions at all and it's mostly given

763
00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:35,159
over to the fact that

764
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,559
there's no way Ed could have faked those

765
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,960
UFO photos here are other UFO photos

766
00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:42,240
here am I Bruce Maccabee giving you my

767
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:43,820
expert opinion about why these photos

768
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,059
aren't fake it's very much a

769
00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:50,640
I don't want to say generic UFO book but

770
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,559
it's it's kind of a generic UFO book

771
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:57,960
so and that's really all I want to say

772
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,419
about it it's it's very boring I'm sad

773
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:01,860
that I read it

774
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,440
so where does this leave us

775
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:06,480
as far as I know I don't believe Ed

776
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,960
Walters has died but he has remained off

777
00:33:15,009 --> 00:33:12,000
the scene after that third really after

778
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:15,019
that third book was was published in

779
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:19,440
1997. in numerous stories about for the

780
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,720
30th anniversary of Gulf Breeze and and

781
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:23,760
other anniversaries news stories in

782
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,940
Florida usually have some mention of the

783
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:29,760
fact that Ed Walters did not respond to

784
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,100
requests for interviews um but usually

785
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,080
something like he's he just says he

786
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:36,600
stands by his story

787
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:40,140
the gulf free sightings remain a hot

788
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:42,419
button in ufology there are there are

789
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:44,580
people who believe those photos are

790
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,600
authentic and others who say the photos

791
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:51,360
might not be authentic Walters might

792
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:53,100
have been scamming people or or

793
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:55,500
promulgating a hoax but that doesn't

794
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:58,140
negate the other sightings that took

795
00:34:03,110 --> 00:33:59,700
place in Gulf Breeze during that time

796
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,120
during that during that wave and then as

797
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,820
we're going to see next time the

798
00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:07,500
the

799
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,399
Gulf Breeze 6 incident was was very

800
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:14,460
strange and and also sort of added to

801
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:17,760
the the Mystique surrounding the Gulf

802
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:20,220
Breeze the Gulf Breeze sightings and in

803
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:23,399
fact if I'd planned this out better I

804
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:24,899
probably could have

805
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:27,960
put this at the end of the second part

806
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:29,460
and made Gulf Breeze a two-parter

807
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:31,080
instead of what is this a two and a half

808
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:32,520
parter

809
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:34,379
um but I I think I think it works pretty

810
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:38,099
well this is sort of a nice Coda to the

811
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,960
whole thing and as I said next time

812
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:42,480
we'll be talking about the Gulf Breeze

813
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:45,720
the Gulf Breeze six but for now

814
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,599
I think I'm done with the Gulf Breeze

815
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,099
sightings and if anybody has any

816
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:52,740
information on what Ed Walters is up to

817
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:55,379
now if anything pass that information

818
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:58,500
along along with any other questions and

819
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,260
comments you have personally

820
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,839
for my part and I I know I'm I'm just

821
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:05,460
somebody looking at the thing 30 some

822
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,220
years later I I think Ed Walters got in

823
00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:11,040
over his head on a hoax and I think he

824
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:13,619
found a way to make a large amount of

825
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:17,400
money off it thank you Jane Pauley and

826
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:21,119
an unlimited Financial opportunity but

827
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:23,640
once that model was found things started

828
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,260
to go bad and then when other people

829
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:27,359
came out and said yeah yeah he wanted me

830
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:29,339
to help him take these fake photos and

831
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:31,020
he's always playing practical jokes and

832
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:32,700
he showed us how to do double exposures

833
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,940
on his old Polaroid then it sort of

834
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:37,740
begins to fall apart for him he gets

835
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:39,780
very very defensive

836
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:42,540
um and doubles down on everything and I

837
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:45,540
think this abductions book is another

838
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:47,940
way of doubling down I'm not denying

839
00:35:52,089 --> 00:35:49,380
that he might have had anomalous

840
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:52,099
experiences but

841
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:55,400
ah you have to you have to wonder

842
00:36:03,170 --> 00:35:59,460
sometimes because some of the sounds

843
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:03,180
very dramatic and that leads me to maybe

844
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:04,740
the last thing I want to say about at

845
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:05,880
Walters

846
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:10,440
I think he might be one of the best just

847
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:14,460
writers in the UFO field these are

848
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:17,640
compelling stories when he's telling the

849
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:20,579
stories and and phrasing himself as a as

850
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,859
an action hero it's entertaining stuff

851
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:24,720
that doesn't mean it's necessarily true

852
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:27,720
just that he he has a way of of writing

853
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:28,980
the book to sort of keep the story

854
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:32,820
cooking as it goes along you see this in

855
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:34,920
the first book The the Gulf Breeze UFO

856
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:37,740
sightings book but UFO abductions in

857
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:39,960
Gulf Breeze has it in bits and pieces

858
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:43,440
when he's sort of explaining what

859
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,180
happened The Narrative of what happened

860
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,000
in these these hypnosis sessions I think

861
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:50,940
the formatting of interspersing the the

862
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,400
printed dialogue with his descriptions I

863
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:54,960
I think it is jarring and I think it

864
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:57,720
breaks it up a little too much it became

865
00:37:02,030 --> 00:37:00,119
kind of a chore to read and then UFOs

866
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:02,040
are real here's the proof

867
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:04,380
um that book is just

868
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:07,140
it's it's just it's just sightings and

869
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:08,579
photographs and explanations of

870
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,200
photographs and recountings of things

871
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:12,720
that we'd read in the previous two books

872
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:15,660
but I think Ed Walters

873
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:19,800
probably had a future as

874
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,619
sort of a pulpy action novelist I can

875
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:24,119
sort of see that and it would have been

876
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:27,300
really fun to read a

877
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:30,180
in quotes fictionalized account wink

878
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,020
wink of his real experiences and

879
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:36,960
some of the sequences in that first book

880
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:39,420
and in the abductions book really do

881
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:42,900
seem to me to be sort of sort of test

882
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,140
runs of you know writing a novel or

883
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:48,240
maybe he'd written these stories and

884
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:49,740
wanted to get them out in some way

885
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:52,500
that's pure speculation on my part but

886
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:55,020
um it's just just it's fun to read and

887
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:56,940
if we can roll our eyes at him

888
00:38:01,849 --> 00:37:59,579
presenting himself as you know Action

889
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,859
Man Ed Walters you know fighting the

890
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:04,260
aliens and and you know

891
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:07,859
swearing up a storm you can sort of

892
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,720
you know give him credit for at least

893
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:11,820
not

894
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:13,800
giving us something boring and I think

895
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:15,240
that third book The the one he wrote

896
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,440
with Maccabee I think one of the reasons

897
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:19,140
I dislike it is just because it is so

898
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,180
boring you don't have you know actiony

899
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:23,220
at Walters to the degree you have in the

900
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:24,839
others and

901
00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:28,020
I mean I don't need to be convinced UFOs

902
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:30,440
are real I don't need to be given proof

903
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,740
I think proof undermines the whole I

904
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:35,760
don't want to say goofiness but

905
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,460
goofiness of the concept in any case I I

906
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,040
think I'm done with Ed Walters but we're

907
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:43,320
not done with Gulf Breeze Florida as

908
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:44,940
we'll see next time

909
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:51,950
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910
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:53,640
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911
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912
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